We've been tracking the spread of smoking bans around the world, often to places that were once notorious for having a culture that loves to light up: Paris, Fort Worth, Dublin, London, the nation of Turkey, and many more.
Now New York City is going a step further. Mayor Michael Bloomberg has voiced his support to expand the city's 2003 ban on smoking in restaurants and bars to now include parks, beaches, marinas, boardwalks, and pedestrian plazas as well. That would most likely mean that fines would be enforced in areas like the Coney Island boardwalk, the Times Square pedestrian plaza, and throughout Central Park.
Last week's news release listed many reasons for the proposed ban, including that "a person sitting within three feet of a smoker outside can be exposed to levels of secondhand smoke similar to those experienced indoors," and also that "research shows that 65 percent of New Yorkers favor banning smoking at outdoor recreational places such as parks, ball fields and playgrounds."
But a smokers' rights group, called NYC Citizens Lobbying Against Smoker Harassment, strongly disagrees with these claims of support. The AP quoted founder Audrey Silk as arguing that smoke dissipates quickly outdoors where "there's room for everybody and nobody will be affected."
Similarly, in California, a state typically known for its progressive laws, a measure failed earlier this year which would have banned smoking in state beaches and parks (it was vetoed by the state's Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is a cigar aficionado himself).
The New York City ban still faces a series of public hearings and approval from City Council before becoming law. So what's your take: Do you consider the proposed smoking ban an infringement on New Yorkers' rights, or a welcome change for some of the Big Apple's most iconic landmarks?
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I don't smoke. I've NEVER SMOKED. But as long as it is a "legal substance," people should ahve the right to smoke outside.
I'm polluted all day by auto/bus exhaust; what about them?
Posted By Vicky Bevis on September 22, 2010, 2:04 PM
It is sad to watch jurisdiction after jurisdiction fall over themselves in the "progressive" legislation sweepstakes. There is, of course, no threat from outside secondhand smoke. There is a threat to tourism industries as between 20-25% of travellers (like myself) smoke and I would never, not ever, take a hard-earned vacation in a city - or country - which has gone to such draconian lengths to demonize a legal product in an effort to pander to its non-smoking majority.
Posted By john owens on September 22, 2010, 3:43 PM
Yay!!!
Posted By Lani on September 22, 2010, 11:13 PM
Ridiculous! My money will be spent elsewhere, in places where the rights of ALL are considered. I refuse to stay at hotels without smoking rooms and won't visit cities with such restrictions.
Posted By Moira Stephens on September 23, 2010, 1:59 AM
It is an act of aggression to smoke where others are affected by it without their consent. Smoking is not a right, merely a dirty personal habit like picking your nose. You may need to do it but please go away and do it in private. You do NOT possess some "right" to force others to see or smell your behavior.
Posted By fra59e on September 23, 2010, 6:42 AM
This extended ban on smoking is literally a "breath of fresh air." There's nothing worse than having a stroll through Central Park or an afternoon at the beach or the Coney Island boardwalk with my family spoiled by an onslaught of secondhand smoke. We're always so grateful---for our health and our comfort---to be greeted at a destination point by signs announcing "tobacco-free". I'm a former smoker, but even when I smoked I never believed that my choice to smoke should interfere with someone else's right not to. Smokers have to be responsible for their choices; not the other way around.
Posted By Theresa on September 23, 2010, 9:21 AM
The first two comments sound like shills for Big Tobacco. Over 80% of New Yorker's don't smoke, and yes, secondhand smoke is very dangerous even outdoors - it's called SCIENCE! Deal with the FACTS. "Pandering to the majority" who want to breath clean air, sounds like a great place! John, we don't need visitors who intentionally hurt others with their selfish habits. Just because other pollutants also exist, we shouldn't control the ones we can? Should we take the exhaust pipes off vehicles because you're offended by progressive legislation?
Posted By Phil Thron on September 23, 2010, 9:23 AM
I think the government has way too much to say about what we can and can't do in our personal lives. They keep on taking a little bit more of our freedoms every day. The sad part is that Americans are letting them.
I don't like smoke in my space but come on, the great outdoors? After all, if people aren't allowed to smoke anywhere then why is smoking still legal? BIG TOBACCO MONEY!!!!
Posted By Janice NY on September 23, 2010, 10:26 AM
I agree with Janice- while I definitely understand banning smoke inside buildings, I think that smokers should be entitled to do so outside- not allowing that is seriously infringing on personal rights. cigarettes are not illegal, so until that changes, people should have the right to do so in open outdoor spaces.
Posted By AMiller on September 23, 2010, 10:37 AM
I think it's about time! I hate taking my kids to crowded places because the smokers hold cigarettes right at their face level. I don't need to be poisoned and certainly my kids don't need to be in danger because of a disgusting habit of others. It may be legal to smoke but it's also legal to have communicable diseases too. It doesn't mean everyone else wants it or should be exposed to it. Keep your TB and smoking out public spaces!
Posted By Deanna on September 23, 2010, 10:41 AM
This is the dumbest one yet ! I smoked for many years and NEVER infringed on any ones rights. I no longer smoke, but, would not have the nerve to ask a smoker in the great outdoors not to! Where the hell are our freedoms ? Non smokers have many rights, smokers have NONE. When are smokers rights going to be recognized ? Smokers pay taxes, vote and pay a great deal of money for the right to smoke.
Posted By Arleen on September 23, 2010, 11:01 AM
Nothing is worse than having a smoker blowing their foul smelling smoke as you are trying to walk any where. They don't even use the areas set a side fof smokers but love to stand in front of entances or exits of non smoking buildings or facilities. If they want to ruin their health OK but please stop trying to ruin our health and well being also.
Posted By Hal on September 23, 2010, 11:11 AM
The ban has not been extended to the "great outdoors", but merely to city owned parks and public spaces. One can continue to smoke on sidewalks, in front of buildings (unlike California), in your car, at home. There will still be plenty of place to self-destruct without destroying mankind.
Posted By lawthomas on September 23, 2010, 11:20 AM
I have asthma, and cigarette smoke exacerbates it. Obviously when people are smoking, I try to avoid them, but it's not always possible outside. Also, even after extinguishing the cigarette, the noxious smell clings to their clothing, skin and hair, and yes, that is enough to have me reaching for my inhaler. Everyone has rights, but your right to smoke doesn't trump my right to breathe!
I'd most definitely support a ban on smoking in public spaces like parks, etc. Those for whom smoking is such a strong addiction that they cannot go a few hours without lighting up would need to find some way of coping or simply to avoid those areas where they cannot smoke. I already have to avoid areas where people are smoking, and this would put the burden on those who want to smoke rather than those who want or need to avoid second-hand smoke.
Posted By Angela on September 23, 2010, 11:29 AM
stop legislating our lives! enough already...where does tire tread go? leave the smokers alone, it's outside after all.
Posted By Joanne Scellato on September 23, 2010, 11:35 AM
I'm sorry, but I totally agree with the visitor comments. That sort of ban will just push people away. I lived in Ireland for a decade and saw the effects of the pub ban. - Customer numbers have still not returned.
The land of the free ?
As far freedoms, what happens when they want to ban something YOU want to do ? Maybe driving, perhaps Mac Donalds ? After all "fatties" seem to be the next target after smokers.
I believe that government in any shape telling people what they can do with their daily lives is dangerous. - but it's YOUR city and YOUR call.
It sounds like prohibition to me.
And I agree totally, that a small minority of smokers are totally abhorrent in the way that they smoke (throw butts in bins, throw in the street, hold at child eye level, smoke in non smoking areas etc). But you get "beeps" in all social classes and settings.
As far as smoking areas, if they were well situated, signed etc, then maybe you'd get less hastle with them.
BTW I don't know how much the overall tax revenue is either in the NYC or the US in general. But some European Government studies found that smokers basically paid for the national health care. - Watch your taxes rise as the number of smokers diminish !
Posted By David Woodroof on September 23, 2010, 11:41 AM
NYC Citizens Lobbying Against Smoker Harassment is a strange name for an organization that is against harassment because it's the smokers who harass non-smokers by the very act of smoking wherever non-smokers breathe their smoke, inside or outside.
Posted By Stan on September 23, 2010, 11:50 AM
Are we turning into a communist country? What else are they going to try to add to the list of rules of what we can and can not do outside? Ridiculous! I'm a smoker and have asthma too! Yes, I do! If someone is outside, then they should be able to smoke. Smoking is legal people! Yes, most places have areas and that is fine but to get rid of the ability completely somewhere would be to make all the smokers not go there anymore which may make some of you very happy but the beach??? Come on now!
Posted By Katherine on September 23, 2010, 12:05 PM
This is part and parcel of what's wrong with America today. Everything's taken to the nth degree. Remember what started all of this, "All we're asking is no smoking on domestic flights that are two hours or less." Now look what it's become. It has become punitive. Not only is smoking bad for you, but if you smoke you're also a bad person!
I don't even smoke. Why can't people have choices? Isn't that what made this country so great? Why not smoking and non-smoking restaurants and bars.
It seems we go out of our way to accommodate everyone but our fellow Americans. For NYC to do this is a joke. Talk about air quality issues, geeze, gimme' a break.
Posted By Charlie on September 23, 2010, 12:15 PM
First, I'm not sure that most smokers are aware of how disgusting it is for non smokers to be near cigarette smoke. I absolutely detest being outside and having to breathe in smoke. Not only is it is scientifically proven to cause MULTIPLE health problems, it is also repulsive in every other way. I am totally for smoking being banned in PUBLIC places in NYC. If the city owns the space, then they have the right to say what is and isn't acceptable in that public space. If you own your home, you can smoke it in because YOU OWN the space and can do what you want in your own space. But a city can, in the best interest of its populants, ban behaviors that are scientifically proven to harm people.
Posted By NYCgirl on September 23, 2010, 12:32 PM
If you have to smoke, outside seems to be the last and best place to do it. But I wish smokers wouldn't treat the world as their personal ashtray, dumping butts wherever they happen to be. Maybe allow smoking outside with heavy fines for littering. And maybe an additional tax for cleaning up the butts.
Posted By Ben Dominuez on September 23, 2010, 12:32 PM
A few years ago, the Borough of Princeton, NJ completed a new library and adjacent outdoor pedestrian and public gathering area with year-round tables and chairs. The state had already banned indoor smoking in public places, so there was some controversy when a ban on smoking in the public gathering area was initially proposed.
Ultimately a smoking ban went into effect and it turned out to be no big deal. For those who're allergic or simply offended by second-hand smoke, being outdoors is small comfort if they're down-wind of a smoker. As one California politician said, "Setting aside a smoking area is a lot like setting aside a peeing area in a swimming pool."
Posted By Lewis Edge on September 23, 2010, 12:39 PM
BAN smoking everywhere. I hate it! It is a nasty habit and a pawn of the devil. I don't like the smell of it and usually, those who smoke flip ashes and butts at will. My father and father-in-law both died as a result of smoking.
Posted By Loup Garou on September 23, 2010, 12:42 PM
Smoking is a choice. But I don't have a choice when I inhale second-hand smoke from a smoker's cigarette. I have very serious allergies and smoke only makes them worse. When I enjoy the use of public parks, I'm expected to NOT infringe on other people's use of that park by littering or participating in activities dangerous to others. Smokers should have to do the same.
Posted By Lindsi on September 23, 2010, 12:45 PM
this is one reason why I vacation outside of the us. I can't wait to permanently leave this repressive country for good
Posted By Roger on September 23, 2010, 12:48 PM
Reading the first few comments I thought that everybody was against this legislation. I am all for it. I work in a building that has no ventillation other than through the door and the smokers create a shield outside that does not allow fresh air into the building. Tell me how second hand smoke is not dangerous outdoors...
Posted By Andrea on September 23, 2010, 12:53 PM
I live in So. California. There was a lot of protest, but you know what? Years after the ban on outdoor smoking, even the heavy smokers are happy to not see cigarette butts all over the beaches, parks and other public enjoyment areas. The smokers will adjust and later wonder why they complained in the first place.
Posted By India on September 23, 2010, 12:58 PM
Way to go Mayor Bloomberg....
Why should the non smokers (including children) be exposed to the smoke? In fact,Smokers who smoke inside their houses, should be fined too, if they smoke in front of children.
Posted By NY Resident on September 23, 2010, 1:14 PM
New York is once again living up to its reputation as the Nanny State. The citizens don't know what's good for them, so let's pass another law....
I don't smoke and never have, but its time for the State legislature to BUTT OUT (pun intended).
Posted By Karen on September 23, 2010, 1:19 PM
I live in SF, where this has already, for the most part been done, in spite of the fact that Schwarzenegger vetoed the state-wide ban. Shocking, I know, where they also banned plastic bags, are considering banning paper grocery bags, have banned selling cigarettes in stores where there are also pharmacies (think Walgreens or Duane Reade).
I am a recovering smokeaholic. While I'm glad that I'm exposed to smoke much less than I was in the past, I completely disagree with the government passing laws about where people can and can't smoke. Restaurant and bar owners should be able to decide if they want smoking allowed in their own establishment or not. And I know there's the issue of what about the people who work there, but the fact is, if someone applies to work in a bar or restaurant where smoking is allowed, they know that in advance and can decide not to work there. It's a choice to be made.
The government is stepping into our lives more and more. The BIGGEST offense? The Second Amendment. I completely understand if you, personally, don't wish to own a gun, or know how to use one, but the 2nd Amendment allows that we have the right to keep and bear arms. EVERY Amendment applies to all people, including the 2nd. So America has allowed the government to take away that right in many states/cities, in many cases can't even open carry. (If guns are criminalized, only criminals will have guns.)
So if the government is taking away an actual Constitutional right, what's really safe?
Yes, I wish a lot of smokers were more aware of those around them who do not want to smell their poison or clean their butts up off the street (I NEVER littered, always held the butt until I came across a garbage, even if it meant putting it in my pocket - I know, smelled nasty). I have a downstairs neighbor who smokes out on his fire escape and it gets into my apartment, and it would be nice if smoking were illegal. But it's not.
And where does it end? Like someone mentioned, are they going to ban Twinkies and Burger King in order to slim the nation down? (Just because I'm obese doesn't mean someone else who's got a rockin' metabolism shouldn't be able to sit down to a flame-broiled burger and fries, or grab a Hostess cupcake from the corner store.)
The idea of making a healthier nation is a good one. But not by telling what the people of a supposedly free country what to and not to do. It's about personal responsibility, people. And of course, living in probably the country's most liberal big city, I see first hand what it does: homelessness out of control; board of supervisors that wants to tax alcohol even more to try to raise money to take care of the chronic drunks on the street (my taxes already pay for that!) and to help cover the costs if some drunk idiot gets into a car and crashes (pay for the ambulance ride, the cost of any repairs to roads etc); that ban on plastic bags I mentioned.
Okay, I've ranted enough. Just had to get it out.
Posted By Chloe on September 23, 2010, 1:27 PM
I agree that it should be banned everywhere! I don't smoke and don't wish to breathe in people's 2nd hand smoke. If you smoke, do it in the privacy of your own home, don't pollute the lungs of those people who don't smoke. I fully support banning smoking in all public spaces!
Posted By Robyn on September 23, 2010, 1:49 PM
I have never smoked and hate cigarette smoke. I am happy there are no longer smoking and non smoking areas in buildings, restaurants, etc.
However, that being said, I feel this latest proposal is again a violation of basic human rights.
Posted By Eileen on September 23, 2010, 1:53 PM
After 400+ years of mandatory smoking, smokeless smokers (excuse me) are on a roll. Cleaned the end of an exit ramp yesterday where smoking pigs have thrown thousands of butts. If they aren't gassing their families including newborns they are stinking up the environment and filling our hospitals. Hooooooray for common sense.
Posted By Drifter1 on September 23, 2010, 1:53 PM
As someone with asthma triggered by smoke, I resent having my health in any public place (indoor or outdoor) affected by thoughtless drug addicts. Smoking is an addiction and it should be treated just like other addictive substances. PLUS people who are affected by the addict's behavior should not have to experience illness from others' stupidity and addiction. GREAT IDEA!
Posted By Deb RN on September 23, 2010, 1:53 PM
No smoking New Yorkers will love this new law. I live in Santa Monica, CA and we have an outdoor smoking ban. I can now enjoy dinner or drinks on the outdoor patio without smoking ruining my enjoyment. Non-smokers have rights also and my right is to enjoy a day without people blowing smoke in other people's direction. Have you ever notice how smokers blow the smoke away from themselves and the other people at their table and on to everyone else around them?
Posted By michele on September 23, 2010, 1:59 PM
Has no one read Animal Farm? Just sit back and relax people, your government has your best interest in mind - honest! I'm a non-smoker and think this is ludicrous. What other substances/habits are bad for you? Ban alcohol. Ban sugar and sweets. Ban fast food. Ban cars. Ban fried foods. Ban salt. Ban cursing. Ban chewing your nails. Ban nuclear energy. Ban medications because people abuse them ... I say we ban Mayor Bloomberg.
Posted By Cynthia on September 23, 2010, 2:20 PM
Bring it on!! THANK GOODNESS there is some sense being spoken. I have had so many trips and visits ruined by smoke and the headache it gives me. And smokers seem to think that if they don't blow their smoke in your face, it's all fine and dandy. The stink sticks to everything. And it hangs on your clothes so if a smoker that is not smoking comes up beside me, instant migraine. Smoking is legal but so are dogs. I don't bring my dog to defacate on your feet, have the smell permeate your clothes, ruin your meals and the disgusting smell make it so you can't enjoy your life. Maybe the smokers can gather for a rally, let me know, I'll send in my dog.
Posted By Claudia on September 23, 2010, 2:22 PM
I think it's a big idea worthy of the Big Apple! It may be an enforcement challenge (particularly given international tourists from countries like Japan and Italy where smoking is akin to breathing), but it is a huge step in the right direction! Bold, pragmatic Republicans, they do exist - go figure!
Posted By Joe on September 23, 2010, 2:22 PM
Smokers are PIGS. Walk past any office building and you will see them standing in circles around the stand-up ashtrays chatting, then they will STILL throw the butts - not to mention the cellophane, matches and empty packs - on the ground rather in the receptacles provided.
Posted By don on September 23, 2010, 2:24 PM
This is one more step by big brother. Although I am not a smoker and have not been for years, I respect the individual's right over the tyranny of the majority- that is why we are a Republic! I do not believe the government has the right to ban smoking outdoors which is not "owned" by anyone or ban it in privately owned business.
Posted By Natalie on September 23, 2010, 2:25 PM
I think we have to proceed with great caution ~ so many infringements on "liberties" these days.
I'm far more offended by blaring music, cell phone conversations, slobs, etc. in public but would not like to see further laws passed to address these, either!
Posted By LindaO on September 23, 2010, 2:28 PM
Although I no longer smoke, I am very happy there is a ban indoors. As far as outdoors is concerned, there should be designated outdoor areas for smoking. The stink now makes me rather ill. However, why not ban the liquor from being sold in restaurants? The drunks then go into cars and drive--and you know what THAT means? Why not ban TEXTING in cars--anyone who texts in a car is attempting to murder others. Ban TEXTING in public because these morons who have nothing better to do than text are a public nuisance as they bump into others. Ban usage of cell phones in cars as well. THOSE issues are more dangerous than someone smoking outside.
Posted By MrsU on September 23, 2010, 2:32 PM
I don't smoke but I have breathe the pollution from people's car, snowmobiles, trucks, vans and other gas guzzling machines. I'm sure those calling smokers PIGS drive their cars around giving a damn about the air the we have to breathe.
If people can't smoke outside then people should be allowed to drive their fossil fuel pollution spewing vehicles either.
We tried congestion pricing to reduce pollution in the city to no avail so now they're going for smokers?
While they're at it there should be a tax on sodas to match the taxes on alcohol so we don't have to suffer the visual pollution of the obese monsters we see walking the streets.
Posted By David Bronx on September 23, 2010, 2:36 PM
I don't care so much about second-hand smoke outside (maybe I should), but this law means cleaner streets! Why should I as a tax payer have to pay for sweeping smokers' cigarette butts, which they insist to throw away absolutely anywhere? If smokers were fined every time they threw a butt in wrong places, I'd be against this law. But that's not gonna happen. So fining them before they finish smoking is a nice second-best solution.
Posted By Ribeiro on September 23, 2010, 2:40 PM
Well, you YOU MUST consider such ludicrous legislation, put it in effect in 2050 or some such future date. Give it a generation to sink in.
I once smoked and no longer do, but I've no problem with other people smoking ... especially outdoors. I always thought it ironic that joggers and those perambulating with children go along busy roads with hundreds of cars passing them per minute without a care, yet automatically start coughing if they see someone smoking!!
Think real!
Posted By Susan on September 23, 2010, 2:41 PM
Finally - FREEDOM! Freedom for the majority to breath clean air in public places! The smokers have violated our rights for generations, now freedom has a chance and all they can do is whine, "we want to ruin your health and enjoyment and have you sit by quietly and take our abuse." NO!
Posted By Sue on September 23, 2010, 2:41 PM
I think some of the arguments against the ban are based on a false premise. I don't see this as repression of the populace in general or imposing the will of the government on everyone. As someone else already pointed out--people have a right to continue to smoke, but by smoking in the vicinity of other people you are imposing YOUR will on them. This proposal, in my opinion, is about protecting the right of the majority of people who do not want to be exposed to smoke.
That smoking is not illegal is irrelevant.Driving a car is not illegal either, but the manner in which cars are driven (eg. speed limits) are. Again, someone else already pointed this out--the rights of smokers do NOT trump the rights of those who want to be smoke-free, just like your right to swing your fist ends before it encounters my face.
Posted By Susan on September 23, 2010, 2:44 PM
I think it's great! As one who gets Asthma from cigarette smoke, I can't stand it if someone near me outside lights up - invariably they will hold it so the smoke misses them and goes right to me. Outside air shouldn't smell like the bottom of an ashtray (or look like one with all the discarded butts)!
Posted By Doris from New Jersey on September 23, 2010, 2:56 PM
Hallelujah! Ban it. All those who whine about vacationing elsewhere, good. Leaves a beautiful city clean and smoke-free for me. Many other commenters have touched on how awful it is to walk through a cloud of smoke outside a building, or risk a kid getting nailed in the face with a lit one. I'll add there is nothing more disgusting that being crammed into public transportation with someone reeking of smoke. If you want to do it so badly, do it in your own home! Why do you need to light up in public places? And for those threatening to leave the country, see ya. And thanks for easing the burden on our healthcare system. Now I won't need to have increased premiums to cover your lung cancer, emphysema, COPD, etc.
Posted By RedFish on September 23, 2010, 3:01 PM
No need for legislation, but sue the smoker for battery. I don't stand beside someone and spit on them. Nor should a smoker light up beside me knowing his smoke with poison me with toxins.
Posted By Lawsuits not Laws on September 23, 2010, 3:03 PM
Fresh air is a right too. I hope all states follow suite.
Posted By Mary on September 23, 2010, 3:03 PM
No need for legislation, but sue the smoker for battery. I don't stand beside someone and spit on them. Nor should a smoker light up beside me knowing his smoke with poison me with toxins.
Posted By Lawsuits not Laws on September 23, 2010, 3:04 PM
I'm very allergic to cigarette smoke, so I'm glad.
Posted By Gene Brumback on September 23, 2010, 3:10 PM
As a non-smoker who loves the outdoors, I have had many times when I've stepped outside a building for fresh air - only to be met with the smokey air created by the cigarettes that are smoked right outside that door. It definitely effects the lives of others when smoke clouds our outdoor environment. In NJ you cannot smoke in restaurants, but sitting at an outdoor table on the sidewalk I recently had to smell smoke while I was trying to enjoy my dinner (because the smoking diner came outside). I believe in the rights of the individual, but not when it can negatively effect the quality of life of other people in public spaces. It is a little like the carry in carry out garbage rule. No one has a right to make a public place less pristine because they stepped there.
Posted By Laura from NJ on September 23, 2010, 3:10 PM
Great idea, Mayor Mike! Now let's see what we can do about those plastic grocery bags.
Posted By Kathy on September 23, 2010, 3:16 PM
I've never been a smoker, but even I feel this is going to far. First they can't smoke inside and now they can't smoke outside? Where CAN they smoke??
Posted By Jen on September 23, 2010, 3:23 PM
Admit it or not, everyone knows smoking is injurious to all people. Even though Central Park is outside, it is a public place where not only adults gather, but children of all ages. An argument could be made that it is almost criminal to smoke where non-smokers and, especially, children will be breathing the unfiltered air. Smokers seem to be unconcerned how their smoke travels through an area whether outside or inside. They are concerned about their rights, but where are the rights of the non-smokers. I don't violate your rights by not smoking, but you violate mine when you blow smoke in my face.
Posted By Frank on September 23, 2010, 3:25 PM
Just because something is legal doesnt mean it cant be restricted. You cant drink alcohol or play loud any where you want, and smoking is much worse. Public health by far outweighs the interest of smokers in a public park.
The argument that this will cost tourist dollars is a silly threat. Dont under estimate the amount of people who will flock to a smoke-free environment. It is 2010 and smoking scares off more people than it attracts.
Can a smoker out there explain to me what they gain from smoking? Other than making a bad decision that led to addiction, please explain why anyone smokes. Why would you want to be manipulated by the tobacco companies? Spend more energy quiting and less energy fighting for your rights to bother others while harming yourself. Why are we even debating this?
Posted By victor c on September 23, 2010, 3:25 PM
I don't understand why all the smoker comments keep insisting about "rights." It is your right and choice to chose to smoke. But, when you are choosing to do something that is harmful to others, there should certainly be restrictions on that choice. Just because I have a right to own a gun, should I be allowed to use it anywhere? Some people choose to be nudists… are they allowed to run around naked anywhere? I mean, sure I say why not for the nakeds because they aren't hurting anyone. ;) But you get the point.
When I go to Bryant Park for a free movie or am sitting on the beach and someone starts to smoke, it is infringing on my health and why should I have to move? If someone is choosing to do something, they should wait or go to where it is acceptable to do so. ie... out of the park, or on to the street. It's not like they are banning smoking EVERYWHERE... just public places that if you just walk a bit, you'll be out of and can puff away. It's not like they are banning smoking period or anything.
So, long story long... hoorah. I hope this goes through.
Posted By Audrey on September 23, 2010, 3:32 PM
I think that the mayor is right on track. I have never smoked and it has turned out that I am in fact allergic to tobacco smoke. Many restaurants allow smoking on their patios and smokers seem to always put their lighted cigarrettes down at their sides where they don't get any of the smoke when they aren't puffing away, but it always seem to drift right over to our table. If people are smoking ourside of a building, I have to hold my breath while I hurry to the door.
The effects of smoking are very costly to all of us because of increased
healthexpenses. It does not look sexy or "cool" to smoke. If more people could visit a hospital where these people are dying of lung cancer and other smoking related illnesses, maybe they would think twice before they start.
I lost my wonderful sister-in-law to lung cancer that had metatisized to every major organ in her body. She had quit smoking 10 yrs before she died, but the damage had been done.
Posted By J.L.Oliver on September 23, 2010, 3:33 PM
For those who say that bans on activities like smoking in places shared by others is an infringement on their rights:
We also ban urinating in public in such places. Is that right infringement? It is actually LESS dangerous and less imposing on others. As someone who has had to move repeatedly to upwind from smokers in public places (outdoor benches, by pools, in gatherings or picnicing etc...)I can say that ONE smoker affects all those around him or her who is downwind and a great radius when the wind direction shifts. After being at parties or in enclosed areas ..where people are smoking, I am left with the stink of smoke on my clothes and hair. I have had to had clothes drycleaned after one wearing in such instances, and of course, go home and wash my hair. Smokers are not similarly affected by non-smokers..nor is not smoking in their presence a health risk to them!!!
Smokers who claim to "never have infringed on nonsmokers" are so unaware of their impact on others as to be delusional.
Posted By Cancer survivor on September 23, 2010, 3:39 PM
For those who say that bans on activities like smoking in places shared by others is an infringement on their rights:
We also ban urinating in public in such places. Is that right infringement? It is actually LESS dangerous and less imposing on others. As someone who has had to move repeatedly to upwind from smokers in public places (outdoor benches, by pools, in gatherings or picnicing etc...)I can say that ONE smoker affects all those around him or her who is downwind and a great radius when the wind direction shifts. After being at parties or in enclosed areas ..where people are smoking, I am left with the stink of smoke on my clothes and hair. I have had to had clothes drycleaned after one wearing in such instances, and of course, go home and wash my hair. Smokers are not similarly affected by non-smokers..nor is not smoking in their presence a health risk to them!!!
Smokers who claim to "never have infringed on nonsmokers" are so unaware of their impact on others as to be delusional.
Ps: I am a FORMER smoker.
Posted By Cancer survivor on September 23, 2010, 3:40 PM
Is this still a country with freedom?
Posted By Jean on September 23, 2010, 3:45 PM
Thank you Mr. Mayor - the absolute worst time is walking on densley populated streets bhind a smoker. Yes, they have rights - just do it where it does not affect anyone else!! The last I looked - natural air does not contain smoke - so, don't give me anything avout your rights!!!
Posted By Vic on September 23, 2010, 3:50 PM
To the person who commented that there is "no threat from second-hand smoke"...how misinformed can you be? Not only is it proven that second-hand smoke causes health problems, but second hand smoke is classified as a "known human carcinogen" (cancer-causing agent) by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the US National Toxicology Program, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC). When you smoke, you are basically throwing chemicals into the air. If you want to do it so badly, go sit in your car or your house and suck up all your own chemicals. Putting known toxic carcinogens into the environment that put other people at a health risk should be banned. Comparing sides, people have a right to fresh air more than smokers should have rights to take that air away from people in a public place!
Posted By Barbara on September 23, 2010, 3:51 PM
John Owens, I quote "There is, of course, no threat from outside second-hand smoke." You're kidding right? Are you actually suggesting that the chemical make-up of smoke magically changes once outdoors? I've always said that smokers are like babies whose pacifiers have been taken away. Grow up and get over it!
Posted By Danielle on September 23, 2010, 3:59 PM
There is a sad perverse irony that a nation that subsidises tobacco growth and farmers, gains substaintial revenue from its use, warns folks not to use it then also wants to ban it. Someone explain it to me.
Posted By Michael Long on September 23, 2010, 4:04 PM
This would be great - it would really cut down on the pollution of cigarette butts on the ground - that end up in the sewers and eventually the ocean - and would help out with air pollution.
Posted By Ashley on September 23, 2010, 4:23 PM
Public places are open to the PUBLIC. There is absolutely no reason why smokers should be discriminated against; they have the right to smoke just as much as they have the right to not smoke. If non-smokers feel like they're being harmed by the smoke, there's an endless amout of clean-air space they can stay in. A simle decision to smoke shouldn't prohibit you from any outdoor area. Ridiculous!
Posted By Anjewla on September 23, 2010, 4:24 PM
It's about time. Many smokers believe that just because they are outdoors that their smoke doesn't bother anyone. Many outdoor venues are ruined by their smoke drifting into air breathed by others. Many of us do not want to breathe their smoke or are alergic to it. I hope other cities and states will consider restricting outdoor smoking. Just leaving public buildings where people are standing outside smoking is unaceptable when you have to hold your breath to avoid smoke but it still is in your eyes and lingers on clothes. Those of us who do not wish to breathe smoke shoud have rights also.
Posted By Carroll on September 23, 2010, 4:52 PM
If we all did what we know we should do; namely, avoid tobacco, be physically active and eat properly, the US could reduce cancer deaths by as much as 50%. Maybe if we further restrict smoking areas more lives will be saved. Yea, NYC!
Posted By Pamela on September 23, 2010, 5:01 PM
HALLELUJAH!!! I can't stand the smell of smoke or it's harmful effects on me or my families lungs! I think it's so rude of people who smoke to do so around others that don't. Especially around children & pregnant women! Putting other peoples health at risk should definetly be banned in public places!
Posted By Mrs. M on September 23, 2010, 5:04 PM
If you ban smoking in outdoors, how are you going to enforce it? It's easy enough to ban smoking indoors, because the property owner will enforce the ban to avoid liability (although, I know that people still smoke in their offices, since they control that space and it's not open to the public, they don't have to let in a city inspector without a warrant). However, how are you going to enforce a ban in the "commons"? In Ottawa, where I'm from, they banned smoking on transit property, now people just hide their smoking by covering their cigarettes with their palm, or they smoke in the elevators, the transit police won't enforce the ban because they know that it will hurt business by fining their customers (and they need every rider they can get because of per-rider subsidies), and now that there aren't any ashtrays, there are cigarette butts everywhere, so much so, you'd forget that there is a ban! Hell, my university, Carleton U, once banned smoking across their sprawling campus, save for a few designated smoking areas; eventually, they had to repeal the ban because people were just smoking inside in the bathrooms or stairwells where they knew they wouldn't be caught, we even had several fires because kids would throw there lit cigarettes in the garbage as soon as they saw campus police!
Posted By Adam White on September 23, 2010, 5:16 PM
I'm a non-smoker, but there are too many do-gooders out there. Let the smokers smoke outside.
If you really want to improve the nation's health, legislate to stop fat people from eating outside
Posted By Tom on September 23, 2010, 5:21 PM
Oh, freedom! Yes, the freedom to breathe. If I did something that caused others to have chest pain, their eyes to water, and coughing to ensue, wouldn't it be polite of me to think about others in that situation? That is how cigarette smoke affects me, so the next time you light up, think about the affect you're having on others, and whether that is how you would like to be treated.
Posted By Christie on September 23, 2010, 5:45 PM
Oh for the love of gawd...I'm a non-smoker & have never smoked & I think this law is just going way too far! I've called a wha-a-a-ambulance for some of you people! Tell you what, I'm all for banning smoking outside in public places when all vehicles are zero-emission & all you oh so sensitive non-smokers stop gagging me with the gallon or so of that cheap cologne you've poured on yourself!
Posted By Caitlin on September 23, 2010, 5:48 PM
And all the people whining about how smoking stinks and harms their health .. will get in their cars that stink even more and spew out many thousands times more carcinogens to go home tonight. Can you say 'hypocrites'?
Posted By Cynthia on September 23, 2010, 5:50 PM
I too am a non smoker, but have to agree. As long as it is legal to buy this product, it is almost crazy to ban smoking in the outdoors.
Posted By Rita on September 23, 2010, 5:59 PM
It's no different than alcohol, another legal substance that's prohibited from usage in parks and beaches.
Posted By NYer on September 23, 2010, 6:36 PM
I am really sick and tired of smokers being treated like 2nd hand citizens! First of all, we pay taxes, and more and more taxes all the time. Public places are owned by the public which means that with all the extra taxes we smokers pay for our so called 'priviledge" to smoke, we own the public spaces more than the non smokers do so they should be the ones to get out! If they don;t like the smoke and can't deal with it, then let them go somewhere it has already been banned!
Posted By Jill on September 23, 2010, 6:45 PM
All these comments about "as long as it is legal" will only encourage them to step up their process of making it illegal! Someone already commented about how this all started with only flights of 2 hours or less. Where is it going to end when we constantly insist that everything and everyone must be perfect?
Posted By Jill on September 23, 2010, 6:48 PM
To all the deluded people who actually believe the so called "proof" that second hand smoke is harmful... maybe you should actually read the science! There has NEVER been any statistically relevent increase in harm in ANY of the studies done over more than 50 years. Hundreds of studies with thousands of people. Some of them done on hard core, 3 pack a day smokers with people living in the same house. All the same, none of the studies showed any real harm from the 2nd hand smoke. UNTIL the US Surgeon Generals report came out on one "metastudy" that somehow used the same data from all those previous studies that did NOT show any harm from 2nd hand smoke and all of the sudden it is sooooooo dangerous. Seems someone has an ulterior motive to me. I really do not appreciate my rights being taken away and using FAKE science to do it is even worse (if that is possible). All you whining people complaining about 2nd hand smoke- whats next?Ban perfume? Ban cars? Ban factories? Ban anything that annoys you??? That really seems to be what is happening in the USA.
It really makes ME sick to live in a "free" country and have to put up with all the laws we have so that certain people can feel so nice and happy at the expense of the rest of us.
Posted By Jill on September 23, 2010, 6:59 PM
I agree with Cynthia and other previous comments.
What are they going to ban next? I used to be a smoker and gave up many years ago because I felt like it not because I was told to. Cigarettes are
legal and high taxes are levied on them. The government is happy to cash in on those. Smokers
contribute a lot of tax money. Is Mr. Bloomberg going to ban the chestnut roaster in the streets
during the winter? Another job lost! This ban is
truly ridiculous. Live and let live, I thought this was a free country.
Posted By Trudi on September 23, 2010, 7:27 PM
This is another example of private liberties being hijacked and a new socialist agenda and control of the population being installed in its' place.
Michael Bloomberg, mayor of NYC, is the author of this abomination.
Posted By Scott Mc on September 23, 2010, 7:30 PM
It's discrimination plain and simple! I would like to see how they could even enforce it! I would think NYC police have more important things to do! I am a former smoker, but I would NEVER infringe on anyone's rights like that.
Posted By Beth on September 23, 2010, 7:44 PM
I was in Munich this summer and the smoke outside was so thick I couldn't get it out of my lungs for weeks. Smoking is for people that don't care about other people. End it now, everywhere!
Posted By kmk on September 23, 2010, 8:34 PM
See how the "slippery slope" works??? For those who support this ban, just wait and see what the "do-gooders" have in store for YOU! For God's sake, leave other people alone!!!
Posted By Linda on September 23, 2010, 8:48 PM
GREAT! I think he should do it.
Posted By Barbara on September 23, 2010, 9:35 PM
Everyone needs to wake up and take personal responsibility for themselves! If you can't stand someone smoking around you, tell them yourself or move upwind! Why do you need the government to do something for yourself? Pretty soon, they're going to tell you how to dress, where you can go, or even what to eat! Oops, some of them are already doing so!!! Do not forget your individual rights, but with rights come responsibility. P.S. All those children & their families need to thank all the smokers for providing them with health care because they are paying S-CHIP taxes!!!
Posted By Lawrence on September 23, 2010, 10:22 PM
i dont smoke and i beleive thats my choice.everyone should have the right to make there own choice for themselfs,not having someone else telling them what they can do or not do.this applys to everything.people are letting other people tell them what to do. the goverment pr no person should tell a rwhat there personal choices are thats up to the person to chose!as to smoke ,have kids or not ,or pets,or what feild of work to choice or car.or choce of dress.
Posted By madelline on September 24, 2010, 12:20 AM
finally we are starting to take into consideration the RIGHTS of the non-smoker to not have to smell it or go around avioding it. I have no desire to smell it on my clothes. I hate when I am at a stop light and a smoker in the car next to me is puffing away. It comes thru my vent system and even with my windows up I have to smell it. Pitty the poor child of that smoker strapped in an infant seat forced to breathe in that closed car, that is so sad that a parent doesn't THINK about or care enough.
Posted By gail on September 24, 2010, 12:29 AM
People that smoke just don't get it - it smell is disgusting, they are often oblivious to their litter and leave wrappers, butts, more everywhere, being down wind from them is obnoxious. Let them smoke in their houses, cars, what have you but avoid all public places and let the wonderful smell of nature pervade, not the carcinogen laced odor of their ever burning cancer sticks.
Posted By Mary Weber on September 24, 2010, 12:54 AM
How absolutely ridiculous to try and ban smoking in the great outdoors, which belongs to everyone, smokers and nonsmokers. We have enough laws re: smokers on the books already. I'm a nonsmoker and believe such a ban would be stupid.
Posted By Jean on September 24, 2010, 1:44 AM
I'm the only one in my family that smokes. I'm also the only one that isn't obese. They ALL have high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. I will outlive them all.
I'm offended by seeing overweight people stuffing ANOTHER Twinkie in their mouths while encroaching on my personal space. I'm offended by unruly children in stores, restaurants, airplanes and public spaces. Not EVERYONE thinks your toddler is adorable. I can't stand the smell of alcohol or overly strong perfume.
So let's ban fattening food, booze, perfume and kids from all public spaces. That way no one can enjoy anything and everyone will be safe.
Posted By Angela on September 24, 2010, 6:25 AM
Smoking should be banned throughout the universe.
There is no doubt now that smoking KILLS. I am not concerned about the smoker, I am concerned about myself and others that know smoking is dangerous and disgusting. Ever noticed how a cigarette smoker smells? Sexy, huh????
Posted By MistyMtn on September 24, 2010, 7:24 AM
I'd rather see them enforce anti-littering laws and fine every smoker every time they throw their butt on the ground! How is that not littering (not to mention a filthy lasting reminder and bad for the environment)
Five times in my life have I seen a smoker be respectful enough to stub out their cigarette and put it back in their pack. Five times. That's it!
Smokers, if you want some respect/sympathy from us non-smokers, stop littering!
I think an outdoor ban goes too far...
As for those who say smoke dissipates quickly outside, try eating a meal on a patio full of smokers who can't smoke inside... it's almost as bad.
Posted By Jay on September 24, 2010, 10:19 AM
Seems to me the root problem is SMOKING. Get people unhooked from tobacco; it is a dangerous drug.
Sandra OH
Posted By sandra OH on September 24, 2010, 10:59 AM
I smoked for 25 years but quit cold turkey 34 years ago and I have seen too much death and sickness from smoking tobacco. Hooray for Mayor Bloomberg. I hope it leads to a total national ban on smoking tobacco.
Posted By PATRICK RENAUD on September 24, 2010, 6:05 PM
There is absolutely NO evidence that the amount of 2nd hand smoke one would inhale outside on the street or in a park could harm anyone's health. I don't smoke -- used to, quit -- so I have no dog in this fight, but this is carrying the nanny state to an extreme. Does anyone remember why this country repealed Prohibition? Come on -- live and let live.
Posted By Ed on September 24, 2010, 8:39 PM
After reading all the comments I felt I had to add my 2 cents worth. I am a smoker and have smoked for a long time. When smoking was legal everywhere I was a polite smoker. If I walked into say the beauty shop and there were women waiting to get their hair done, I would ask if they minded if I smoked, if they said yes or they were allergic I went outside. It would be nice if the pushy non-smokers were as polite. I understand banning smoking in restaurants because of the family element. As a smoker I didn't like smelling smoke when I was eating. But I think banning it in bars is ridiculous and banning it outside is just as ridiculous. You non-smokers don't realize how much we smokers pay in federal excise taxes that you reap the benefits from. As a "horrible" smoker I can tell you that the reason the government doesn't ban smoking is that they would go broke in less than a month and they know it. They also still susidize the tobacco industry. As someone else stated can you say "hypocrite"? By the way I don't have health problems, no high blood pressure and no cholesterol problems. I hike, dance, swim and just pretty much so what I want, so I'm not costing you non-smokers a dime. I do not litter, never have. It's time to leave us alone. We seem to be the only group of people that it's okay to discriminate against.
Posted By MIchelle on September 24, 2010, 9:31 PM
Ban it everywhere! Smokers should have to wear self-contained helmets and breathe in their own poison so it doesn't ruin everyone else's health and ability to enjoy OUR rights of not breathing in the results of smokers' stupid addictions.
Posted By Smoking is Stupid on September 25, 2010, 12:40 AM
Yes, smoking is unhealthy, obviously, and no-one should be forced to inhale someone else's cigarette or cigar smoke. But this is a basic personal freedom, and clearly not done with the express intent of harming others. It seems to me that if you are bothered by someone smoking nearby, you could easily 1) move about three feet so that you're not downwind of the smoker, or 2) ask him or her to move, if you yourself can't. I see no need to get any level of government involved. This is just one more example of government "nannying" taking up a function of personal problem resolution that we should all have the skills to do for ourselves. - And people wonder why government at all levels keeps mushrooming in size and cost. When you hand over any responsibility, you also hand over the personal freedom associated with it - and usually the money to pay the government for managing it for you. Every time a measure like this is passed, every time a personal freedom is removed and nobody gets up and shouts about it, it just encourages more and stricter restrictions. Can we please stop happily skipping toward totalitarianism?
On a more personal level, I am sincerely frightened by the thought that I might one day walk through Times Square as I do every day on my way to work, forget to put out my cigarette when I enter the enforcement zone, and thus incur a fine that renders me unable pay my rent for the month.
Posted By Sarah on September 25, 2010, 7:35 PM
I WAS a smoker. I never realized the annoyance my habit caused those around me. Now, I realize that smokers really pollute the air for yards around them, making huge areas stink, and so many smokers leave their foul smelling trash on the ground, grossing out others. I think that the NYC smoking ban is the best thing since bagels and cream cheese
Posted By John Williams on September 26, 2010, 3:00 AM
Good! Hopefully the ban will extend down to NJ & Fl.
Posted By Margigirl on September 26, 2010, 7:37 AM
Really? Just ask the smoker to move away from you? Am I the only person that thinks that eight times out of ten this would result in a less-than-polite response?
Just move yourself three feet upwind? Ever stood around a campfire? How often does the wind change? What about a calm day when there is little wind? Three feet is not doing to do it.
The cry of liberty vs totalitarianism is a specious argument to cover the fact that there is really no justification for inflicting smoking on other people. You pay more taxes by CHOICE--it's not forced upon you.
Pointing out other sources of pollutants is just trying to deflect attention from your own actions. Go down that road and there is really no reason for anyone to ever do anything constructive, compassionate or worthwhile because, after all, someone else is not.
I can't take very seriously anyone who is going to make an argument that smoking is not very bad for your health. To me, that is tantamount to using 'winning the lottery' as your retirement plan. Okay, maybe it could work for one or two people but --who amongst us has not seen with their own eyes the damage that smoking does?
The ban is not for ALL outdoors, it is parks, beaches, marinas, boardwalks, and pedestrian plazas. Note that nothing is said about streets in general.
I am not asking for public flogging of smokers. I KNOW it is a terrible addiction to break for many people. Several people I love a lot have been or are addicted to it. I am not angry with them nor do I feel superior. I think I was just lucky to somehow not get addicted to it. I still think this ban is a good idea.
Posted By Susan on September 27, 2010, 3:07 PM
Cigarette smoke is an astma trigger for me. In the neighborhood where I own my home there are now outdoor smokers on both sides of my home and across the street. Often I am unable to linger and enjoy a meal or relaxation at my outdoor patio table, because the outdoor cigarette smoke triggers an attack. Every asthma attack creates scarring on the lungs. Where is my right to enjoy the outside area of my home and my right to breath air which does not cause me injury?
Posted By Barbie on September 29, 2010, 12:22 AM
I think this is great!!! I'm tired of smoker's assuming that people are not bothered by their smoking outdoors. I am very much bothered by it!!! I don't pee in public, please don't smoke in public.
Posted By Ted on September 30, 2010, 7:06 PM
Y'know, Hitler was anti-smoking, and also believed that if you repeat a lie enough times, it will eventually be accepted as the truth. The anti-smoking fascists (that's right, fascists) pay tribute to him with idiotic efforts to ban smoking and propagating the second-hand smoke myth. The latest ad from "The Truth" (sic!) claims that every 6.5 seconds someone dies from smoking. I checked that out. 440,000 per year die from smoking. Not 4,851,692.307, which would be the amount if the one death per 6.5 seconds argument were true. But obviously it is not. Last year another ad claimed over 7 million days of school were missed by children due to second-hand smoke-related ailments. More poppycock. Tell me, back in the 50s, when the number of smokers was at 70+%, were the scools 3/4 empty daily? No, they were not! It's time to get a grip, people, and stop criminalizing honest people for a habit that, like it or not, is not going away. Stop paying tribute to Hitler with these lies, leave people who are smoking in a spot away from others in parks alone, and things will be fine.
Posted By Rob Wryter on October 1, 2010, 9:14 AM
Those of us who are smart enough not to smoke have the right to fresh air, and nobody should be allowed to take that away. Smoking is not a right and should never be a right; it is a privilege reserved for only the most careless of our society. It is my hope, and should be the hope of those citizens who do not smoke - who are in the majority - that a ban on public smoking in New York is soon followed by the same foresight across the United States. Countless men and women have struggled, fought, and died to keep this nation beautiful, and absolutely no one has the right to pollute our air and litter our ground. It really is that simple.
Posted By Joseph on October 1, 2010, 11:15 PM
As someone who regularly has outdoor meals and recreation ruined by cigarette smoke, I say bring it on, and not a moment too soon.
Posted By hok23 on October 4, 2010, 5:45 PM
Rob--are you serious? Are you trying to say that because Hitler was anti-smoking, anyone else who is anti-smoking is pro-Hitler? That somehow it is paying tribute to Hitler to dislike smoking? So, seeing as Hitler like Beethoven, I guess it makes sense that anyone else who likes Beethoven is paying tribute to Hitler?
That is some kind of Olympic level high-jumping to try to connect those two points.
What about all the people here who say that cigarette smoking triggers an asthma attack for them? Are they paying tribute to Hitler too? They're just brainwashed and that's why they find it hard to breathe?
Posted By Susan on October 4, 2010, 8:13 PM
As a former smoker I don't particularly care for the smell of smoke or ash trays. They make me gag. As an American I believe people have the right to smoke in a designated area in the open. I hate to be a buzz killer on this because I did smoke but lets be honest here. I won't slobber and spit Crown Royal on you if you don't blow smoke in my face.
Posted By sailanked on October 5, 2010, 4:01 PM
PS: Bloomberg isn't the brightest crayon in the box so quit frankly I think you should all smoke, overload the legal system and prisons, bankrupt the city and get him impeached. Then after he's replaced I'd go with a dedicated smoking area idea in parks and outside restaurants.
Posted By sailnaked on October 5, 2010, 4:08 PM
I am a smoker myself and I support the ban on smoking in playground. Can someone tell me if there is any penalty for this violation and who will enforce it?
Posted By smoker on October 10, 2010, 9:28 AM
Smoking should be BANNED period. Something that does absolutely NO good for anyone but costs money and pollutes the body and the environment should not be legal anywhere. Back when I was young and ignorant I used to be a smoker but now that I'm older and wiser there is NO WAY I'll ever go back to the old ways.
Posted By Phil on October 13, 2010, 12:39 PM
How crazy can you get? Some morons want to ban smokers from the streets. Yes, I'm a smoker, but I don't smoke near people who ask me not to. How about the enormous exhaust from factories, gasoline and diesel cars? I don't hear non-smokers complain about this vast problem. Get a life and get a brain. Greetz from the real land of the free, the Netherlands, Europe.
Posted By Mike den Dulk on October 15, 2010, 7:54 PM
Like the president, the n.y. mayor makes more problems than he solves. Stay out of people's private lives.
Posted By RTRobarge on October 21, 2010, 3:18 PM
There is way too much intrusion into our lives under the "progressives". This is just one more violation of our civil rights under Obama and his low-lifes. This is our country, our parks and our lives. What we drive, eat, and drink, and where we do our banking, make our investments, buy our energy and educate our children is our business. Guess what, it is the government under the "progressives" that have put us in the hole for 3 trillion and forever indebted to China. The parks, restaurants, sidewalks and open air, etc., does not belong to government or any one group of people. I would love to see reactions if a right was taken from them by government in such an intrusive manner. BTW, I am not smoker.
Posted By Travel Zim on October 21, 2010, 3:48 PM
I HATE being around people who drink...ever smelled someone who has been drinking? They STINK and kill people too. I am a smoker and let me tell all you people out there that think it is right to take away the rights of smokers...I don't know one smoker that don't pray to God to have the strenghth to quit....dream about being a non-smoker...can't watch a movie without some non-smoking group putting some horrific commercial in the movie and showing us our own death..repeatedly. Listen up non-smokers...WE KNOW OUR FATE...Heroin junkies get more respect! WE CAN'T smoke anywhere! And by the way....what smokers out there blow smoke in the face of children? LIARS...or maybe some person who is consuming ALCOHOL. We will be forced to quit by the greedy government and then get hit by a bus!
Posted By Hallierose on October 21, 2010, 6:21 PM
Yes, ban smoking in public WHEN the city/state also ban cars, perfume, spitters, cursers, nose pickers, screamers, and idiots of all stripes who dare to invade my private heaven while I'm out in public. Get over it, folks! The world is really not designed to please you every moment of every day, despite the tripe you've been fed about your self worth. If you chose to live in a civilization, you must learn to put up with others just as they have learned to put up with you.
Posted By meg on December 20, 2010, 11:40 AM
America has become such an intolerant country.
Ban cars, cabs,buses and limos. Everyone would be much healthier walking in the clean fresh air.
Posted By KATE on December 20, 2010, 3:55 PM
Think of this next. Shorts, low cut tops, makeup, sexy hairdos should be banned because they entice men and set a poor example for children. Perhaps the ladies should all wear burkas. This would get bad ideas out of men's heads and purify social behavior in general. Let's not forget suggestive advertising billboards either. How about that Bloomberg?
Posted By Michelle on December 21, 2010, 2:28 AM
Second hand smoke does indeed affect people. It does not disperse quickly. People allergic or sensitive to smoke, or who just want to take care of their lungs, don't have a choice of where to sit or walk. I can't tell you how many times we've had to weave back and forth across the street or move to a different bench to avoid the smoke cloud or trail. It does not dissipate well, and if it does, it's because a wind blew it to the next victims.
Smokers get the benefit of a filter for some of the toxins. 2nd-hand smokers do not. People who never smoked, but who live with smokers or work in smokey places get lung cancer. It doesn't just affect the smoker.
If someone has a beer next to me, I don't ingest it passively. But, I choose to not smoke, and don't want to smoke passively.
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